59 thoughts on “August 31, 2017

  1. Yup, called that one.

    Retail has a habit of doing this to people, I’ve noticed. I worked 15 years of it – 12 in the same store – because it was comfortable and lulled me into a hopeless malaise where it felt better to deal with a crappy job than to deal with my fear that this might be all I could ever do.

    Took a nervous breakdown to get me to better myself, hopefully Coop can find a safer alternative.

    • This is pretty diabolical. I stayed in a dead-end job for five YEARS because I was unable to leave after awhile.

      Like Red from the SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION novella/movie, I got institutionalized. A cousin with a job offer at nearly double the salary pulled me out of it, but I can see how insidious this is.

    • Wow, yes! I stayed 15 years in a call center because it was convenient, then 8 years in insurance because ‘jobs are hard to come by.’ I ended up with a nervous breakdown, too!

    • Well he’s comfortable, now. Comfortable can be almost as bad as hating the job because it thwarts ambition. Look at how well Sanzen’s doing for himself. He’s been climbing the ladder.

  2. Disagree with me as you will.

    But I still say that for all the buildup that “Phase 2” got, and after the long wait for the resolution … This “revenge” is LAME.

    I never thought I’d say this, but Keith Sanzen has actually disappointed me. I thought he had much more of a dark side than this.

    • “The best revenge is living well”, maybe? I mean, if Cooper’s actually happy where he is right now, then Sanzen’s ‘revenge’ falls flat. If Keith were enacting this revenge on Marla–who’s gone from “I gotta get my own kiosk!” to “… meh. Someday”–then sure, villain points. But Coop’s got an okay job, a girlfriend, someplace to live… if he’s not happy where he is, we sure haven’t seen sign of it for a long time now.

      Though maybe this storyline is Norm’s way of giving Coop a kick in the pants, get him to examine his life and start making changes.

      • Yeah, never better yourself, never advance, never excel. Then scream how people who have done that should give YOU stuff because YOU somehow deserve it more than they do.

        Then march while screaming at how unfair everything is and once that is no longer rage inducing enough for you, get in with fascists like Antifa or Black Lives Matter

        • You will take some flack for this comment probably but let me be the first to comment, you’re absolutely right. It was the same thing with that “Occupy” bunch a few years ago.

        • You’re a fucking moron. People are asking for a LIVING FUCKING WAGE. Minimum wage has NOT kept up with inflation in the slightest, and there have been numerous economic studies that have showed that higher wages would only make the economy STRONGER.

          Not everyone can have one of the super-high paying jobs- and not everyone WANTS one. Some people actually like working customer service. And these people DESERVE a wage that they can live on. If a business cannot afford to pay its employees a living wage, it does not deserve to be in business.

          • Increasing the minimum wage punishes poor people who want a first job, more than anyone else.

            If having somebody do a job doesn’t pay the employer more money than it costs to hire and keep them, then they lay the worker off and leave the position empty. And minimum wages increase the cost of keeping somebody in a job, and when they get high enough, automation looks like a better bet.

            This is why you pump your own gas, fill your own sodas, wash your own windshield, and more and more often, ring up your own groceries. Rising minimum wages are the reason why the McDonald’s in my small town, with a population under a thousand, uses a robot to fill drinks at the drive-through. They are the reason we now have a robot to make cheeseburgers in response to your order, placed using a computer touchscreen. Minimum wages are the main reason that people have such a hard time getting their first job — anyone who doesn’t have a track record of productivity, or isn’t vouched for by a trusted person in the company, has a hard time getting a first job.

        • what in HELL does antifa have to do with lack of ambition or not earning your own accomplishments?? you are doing more than a little projection here buddy.

          And you lack reading comprehension, antifa literally means “anti-fascist”, you can’t possibly confuse the two unless you think shutting down hate speech is worse than spreading it

    • I’m hoping there is more and this is all that Keith will admit to. It’s part of a game where there’s different levels. It’s a lie within a lie. The idea is that you’re supposed to quit when you find the first lie thinking that “you found it” and completely miss the second and real deception.

      I think the fact he’s been manipulating the numbers indicates that something deeper exists.

      Look at Keith’s expressions I think he’s selling a snow job.

    • I think Norm wanted to forget about it because it was too far fetched for a comic that is supposed to represent the real, brutal, life and experiences of retail employees, but his readers wouldn’t let him. We already have Lunker to give us some out of the box fantasy strips, this was just too much. And it cheapens the message of the overall comic. A reader who has never worked retail may begin to question what other scenarios are fabricated which defeats the point.

      I’m glad it played out this way, in a–somewhat–true to life situation.

      And I hope it’s done after this.

    • When I was a little kid, my mom would tell me that the people who bothered me at school would have to live with their miserable selves, and that I should view THAT as my revenge – that I was a better person than they were.

      I repeatedly told her that that didn’t work, because they had no idea that THEY were the biggest thing wrong with their lives, so they wouldn’t suffer for it.

      At least Sanzen is filling in the missing piece needed to make “living well is the best revenge work” – letting his enemy know that his own habits are his problem.

      • Putting BLM on the same page as actual fascists, like KKK, who want minorities back in slavery/dead, lol. Also, lol at the ‘you can’t complain if the job situation is bad bc of a global crisis, it’s YOUR fault and yours alone ‘, this is so superficial and doesn’t actually take into accounts so many different factors…

  3. Anyone who sticks up for him- or herself can’t stay in retail. The rude customers, the incompetent bosses, the deplorable pay, the whiny co-inkers, the unfair hours… I stood up for myself. I make 2 1/2 times what I made at my last retail job.

    If Cooper finally realizes that he has been a voluntary doormat this whole time while sanzen hasn’t… he might finally wake up.

  4. Honestly this is a bit disappointing but there is an actual potential other issue. Cooper also recognizes that potentially Sanzen is the master of his universe. Sure, he could quit, but now he got promoted and he has a decent setup and get out from under Sanzens sphere of influence. But doing that also means knowing that if he uses his old record he is partially dependent on the false halo that Sanzen created. Anything he does is touched by Sanzen from here on out.

    Also given the buildup it could be a bit more complex. Cooper now knows that Sanzen could actually use nuclear retaliation against his friends. And Sanzen could even claim he did this for Cooper, after all Cooper got him the job originally.

  5. Cooper has no drive. Cooper has no desire to better himself. Cooper would rather wallow in his misery and falsify his content that everything is fine.

    Let me guess, snowflakes, “better himself isn’t necessary if he’s happy!”, right? You’re wrong. You may be content in accepting you have no skill, no drive, no passion, and die in a dead end job, but that’s now what motivates the rest of us. If you don’t have to “better yourself” with a better job, better education…then accept what you are.

    This is also why there’s the myth of the wage gap.

    • not what motivates the rest of us*

      –Because I KNOW some idiot is going to cling on to one mistake to try and make a strawman.

      • Yes, people can be happy even if they’re not paid a small fortune and they’re not leading a CEO. Big surprise here. Also, you almost lost me at ‘snowflakes’, I swear when someone puts himself on a pedestal and calls other people patronising names it’s time to stop listening.

        • Yeah, I’ve noticed that people who derisively refer to “snowflakes” always think that they themselves are special and brilliant. They’re always mad that other people consider themselves special, but they always regard themselves as the most amazing, super-special person on the planet.

    • If you accept what you are and you’re happy, you’re successful. Period. End of discussion.

      There are many supposedly successful people who are miserable. Many aren’t wise enough to realize it.

      Yes, things can change in the future. But that can happen to anyone. Even the rich and powerful. Make a reasonable plan, but all the planning in the world won’t protect the cleverest person if things just go south. That’s life. Deal with it.

      As for minimum wage, it’s a complex issue and sound bites from either side tend to miss the point. People need to live within their means (no high end smartphones or more kids than they can properly care for). But wages for the middle class and lower have stagnated over the last few decades, even as the country as a whole has gotten wealthier. Largely on the backs of the people who do the actual work.

      Yes, we need the people in charge to make the big picture decisions. Although it’s clear many of them have failed to do that competently. The number of failing large businesses are proof of that, as are instance like the Takata airbags and VW emissions scandal. So, no, a lot of them aren’t worth the money or held sufficiently accountable.

      These issues aren’t black and white. There are enough mistakes enough on all sides to criticize. Until people stop trying to create one-size-fits-all solutions and handle things holistically, nothing is going to get fixed.

      But stop laying all of it at the feet of the ones who have the least influence.

  6. On the one hand, totally diabolical in a way only a retail worker would appreciate. On the other hand, “You got got me, Sanzen, I can keep a roof over my head, the person I like is my boss, and I got a promotion.” Besides, the odds of things going horribly after getting fired are just as good as the odds of him finding something better, really, if only because it’s easier to make a career change when you’re employed.

    (I swear, if people aren’t disappointed in you for not accepting your lot and wanting to get out of retail, they’re disappointed in you for not getting out of it and accepting the way things are.)

  7. Ok, someone said this whether here or at the other site I comment on this comic, Sanzen may end this week by offering Cooper a job. More money, but working for Sanzen?? Lord… NO. Cooper is not in that bad of a place, as everyone has already mentioned. We don’t know what his salary is, but it’s more than he was making as an hourly worker with no health insurance and struggling to get as many hours in a week as he could. He doesn’t hate his job. He doesn’t make funny robotic things with the boxes anymore like he used to (that was so funny) but he likes his coworkers Donnie and Lunker, is friends with his boss, no longer has to put up with jerky AM’s like Brice and Josh, and has his girlfriend working at the same store. As a stock worker he doesn’t have as much interaction with idiot customers as many of his coworkers, though now and again some idiot will ask him to use his employee discount to help them save money. It could be worse. Even people in professions they enjoy would rather stay home than go to work, and everyone has to put up with cranky people on the job even doctors (sick people can be cranky!) That’s just how it is working with the public and you do that in just about every job there is. So Cooper hasn’t got it so bad.

    • Exactly, I think Cooper should take this in a positive light where Sanzen just secured his job, for as long as he’s holding his grudge, with a great position that people would kill to have (especially at Delman’s)

    • I actually supervised shipping/receiving manager’s for a large company back in the 90’s. They were actually some of the most “job satisfied” manager’s in the chain. Might have been because they didn’t have to deal with customers all day!

  8. Not the best revenge, cause Sanzen doesn’t know if Cooper’s been saving up money to leave Grumble’s. But I can see how this is a diabolical plan, making Cooper too *comfortable* to want to leave. (But then again, it’s not the worst thing, having an awesome manager, a cool assistant manager, having a stable relationship with his girlfriend, having a co-worker as his best friend, and getting along great with his other co-workers. From the sounds of it, he might as well stay because if he leaves he might end up in the same situation as Brice, but not get off so lucky as he did.) I hope that Cooper can take “Sansei’s Revenge” and turn it into a positive. Sanzen just assured him that Cooper’s job is very secure with a job that most people would kill to have, because while retail is retail, the job isn’t totally horrible with a group of understanding and laid-back employees that support each other.

    • Not unless people know about it.

      Success coupled with anonymity is all well and good, but completely unsuitable for the purpose of revenge.

  9. Plot still not working for me, not because there’s not some truth in fearing change, but Sanzen’s ascent just doesn’t ring true. He has accomplished a ton in apparently very little time and appears to have no fear of the losing his job from his actions (if he’s truly playing around with the inventory numbers). A major company has to have the client’s trust, when this gets out Sanzen loses everything.

    • I think Sanzen doing a “you expected a evil plan, ok, I’ll give you a evil plan”. Why should I tell you my real plan and shoot myself?

  10. There’s something tremendously unsatisfying about getting revenge on someone by letting their own weaknesses destroy them.

    It’s the same thing as letting them stumble around in the dark, hoping they fall down a hole.

  11. I don’t like the work I’m doing right now because it’s as redundant as a Milli Vanilli song. But I try to stay positive. I love the people around me and the convenience of the location allows me to have an active social life. It’s worth putting up with blaming it on the rain if you look at it that way. Cooper should look at the positives, like having a manager that cares about him in Marla and being able to work with a girlfriend he likes very much. It’s not suffering if you have the right people supporting you, the way Cooper does.

  12. Not to belabor the point, but all Cooper needs to do is go to Marla, Stuart or even someone at corporate and tell them that Sanzen admitted to him that he has been manipulating the inventory numbers from his VP position and all this blows up right? I mean, in the real world, this would be some serious, you know what. EGRIS would have to investigate the claim, their livelihood depends on being trustworthy with their clients. Grumbel’s is their customer! This should end very badly for Sanzen.

  13. “Rest assured, Bidwell, in 20 years or so, the ravages of old age will deal with the bear far more cruelly than we ever could have.”
    – Leslie Edwards, “Almost Heroes”

    Let me explain something here :

    In order for it to be revenge, you have to actually DO something.

  14. This is the worst possible move for Cooper. Any longtime retail worker knows that in any contest of “my word against theirs”, the heirarchy goes something like:

    Corporate > Customer > Contractor > Random Unrelated Human Being > Staff Member.

    EGRGIS (Egregious! LOL), and therefore Sanzen, has far more credibility than Cooper does; Zucchini Head and the other Head Zucchinis will automatically assume Cooper is somehow to blame/culpable, at best he will be fired, at worst, someone will try to assemble a criminal case against him for all the inventory which has “suddenly” disappeared and Marla, Lunker, Donnie, and other staff may be in danger too.

    If this were real life I would suspect the other store’s management team that all got fired for fraud went through almost exactly this script.

    • It’s really a silly premise, inventory counts are documents that legally must be as accurate as possible (I used to work for an inventory company). It would not be a Cooper vs. Sanzen issue, it would be an allegation from a client that would be taken seriously and researched. It’s Accounting, not some revenge feud. The numbers could be looked at in detail. Cooper should have recorded the conversation.

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