That depends. If he is calculating the additional 20 hours as overtime pay then $400=20*1.5X which is $13.33 per hour which would put him just shy of $28k which is actually low for an assistant manager
I am going to enjoy seeing Joshua try and stick it to them… or possibly even quit and work somewhere else. Which makes me wonder… if Josh is gone, who will take his place?
I don’t know what our managers make. But as a cashier/back up supervisor, I make the top rate our contract allows, I’ve been with the company 14 years, and I make just shy of 25 dollars an hour. However, I only get 24 hours a week.
I do make double time if I work a stat, plus stat pay. (I worked Nov. 11, first stat I’ve worked in ages. I made double time for the 5 hours I worked, plus I got paid 6 hours at regular time. If I hadn’t worked at all, I would still get the 6 hours)
I usually don’t get stats because it’s double time, and I make too much an hour to be scheduled. But I’m also the newest back up supervisor, so I foresee getting more stats in the future, as the other girls would get it off before I would.
But in BC the same rules apply to salaried managers. They don’t get overtime, stat pay, (but can take “their stat” on another day. Paid day off) and have to put in the extra hours without the extra pay.
Honestly, while I understand some concerns that it may be “boring” for him to see the light… Could you imagine Stuart’s reaction when Josh no longer looks up to him?
That was my thought. Marla and Josh making it work WITHOUT following much of Stuart’s direction from Corporate would be interesting. Watching Josh being stuck in the middle would be interesting, too.
the second fun thing for josh to do is divide his hours worked by his salary
and figure out how much per hour he would be making if he was hourly.like..4.23 per hour. ….
In the company I work for, Team Supervisors and above (i.e. Store Management) don’t get paid overtime on the grounds that if you have to do more than full time hours, you’re probably not doing your job properly.
Conveniently forgetting of course that the, ahem, beauty of retail is that there’s always something that needs doing, be it an overdue planogram, warehouse tidying, price tickets/checking, etc. The list is endless.
Oh, obviously. I’m just so used to it happening now that I see it as part of the daily routine, as opposed to something to sort out when it happens.
As a full-time associate I’m responsible for more things than part-timers, but am expected to be “fast” enough to do it all. My argument has always been that I should be scheduled more mornings, preferably before the store opens an hour or more, to straighten out the department after the closers are told, “Just get it off the floor!” I’m required to be part of the problem when I’m a closer, yet I’m held responsible for items being in the right category. There IS always something else to do that is an “A” priority. Be prepared for a Secret Shopper visit, or a Corporate visit, expand or contract racks, undo the expansion or contraction a day or two later when the newest email arrives saying the truck volume would be vastly different from the previous email, outerwear is draped all over the place or stuffed under the racks, rugs are draped all over the place or stuffed under the racks…it is endless! One of my frustrations has been when cashiers get promoted who haven’t spent hours and hours and days and days on the floor. There is no such thing as a “quick pick-up”!
THAT is shenanigans. Their purpose is to ensure that there’s always somebody on hand, isn’t it? How can t possibly be their fault if no one else is available to work?
And that’s why i never pursued the management path in retail. i went for the commission sales path and probably made more than the managers, plus i got paid overtime if i worked more than 40 hours.
I have seen sales people do this.. and if sales and dealing with the public is what you are good at, then do that. A good salesman is worth his pay plus commission. After a certain point, how much you get paid is really just a way of “keeping score”
*ding* the light bulb finally comes on for Josh.
I see it as a gradual short-out as he keeps trying to rectify corp demands vs reality.
Suddenly, marching in lock-step DOES start to hurt…
There is an unspoken rule that when you are salaried, you are assumed to work 10 hours of overtime per week as part of your pay package. Anything over that is just gravy for corporate. The last time I was salaried, I did occasionally have to work overtime, but if I got my job done earlier, I could leave early. Because I was salaried, I got the same 40 hour pay even if I didn’t work 40 hours. My manager didn’t like when I did that, but the owner of the company told me it was okay, so I took his word, not hers. But in the end, I did work more overtime than under-time, so corporate always wins.
Salaried or not I would never accept working overtime for free. Either they pay me overtime or comp my hours or it wont happen. But I actually think 28k is below minimum wage here obviously depending on line of work.
When you are salaried the ‘free overtime’ is a requirement of the job. If you do not do it, then that is grounds for termination. Meanwhile, if you are an hourly employee – they can cap how much OT you work, or even demand that it be approved first. So, you may wind up having to clock out and keep working. This isn’t something the company will make you do (being illegal for them to do so and all). But, it is something that you might want to do if you care about your job enough.
So, Mr. By-the-book didn’t realize before now that managers in corporate make tons more money then the people at the store levels? Interesting. Guess he’s not as big of a corporate puppet as we though.
I remember when I did the math when I was a manager for Ritz Camera. It turns out that I was earning approximately $4-5 an hour if my salary + commissions were divided by the hours I worked. It made me sad. Which is one of the reasons I was super happy when they demoted me down to assistant. (assistants at Ritz were hourly+ commission)
I think Josh is ready to convert
In compensation, take some paid time off at Cooper’s Lounge next summer.
It would be interesting if he quit being corporate’s sycophant and became as cynical as Marla. But not as much fun.
So Josh is making 20 bucks an hour. That seems high for an assistant manager in a department store, especially one as cheap as Grumbel’s.
approx $20 an hour at overtime pay..If he makes ~13 dollars an hour his overtime rate would be close to $20 (13 X 1.5 = 19.5)
That depends. If he is calculating the additional 20 hours as overtime pay then $400=20*1.5X which is $13.33 per hour which would put him just shy of $28k which is actually low for an assistant manager
They’re cartoon dollars, folks.
Oh happy day, the corporate stooge begins to see the light! I hope he mellows out when it comes to corporate policy and sees how Stewart is using him.
Here’s hoping this starts the deprogramming!
Here Here!!
Amen to that! Will he see the light (yay!) or revert back to his old ways (boo!) ?
What fun would Josh be deprogrammed? He’d be marla without the skirt.
Maybe the next phase in his character evolution is that he gets the skirt.
I am going to enjoy seeing Joshua try and stick it to them… or possibly even quit and work somewhere else. Which makes me wonder… if Josh is gone, who will take his place?
Callow sheep like him are easy to find.
I don’t know what our managers make. But as a cashier/back up supervisor, I make the top rate our contract allows, I’ve been with the company 14 years, and I make just shy of 25 dollars an hour. However, I only get 24 hours a week.
I do make double time if I work a stat, plus stat pay. (I worked Nov. 11, first stat I’ve worked in ages. I made double time for the 5 hours I worked, plus I got paid 6 hours at regular time. If I hadn’t worked at all, I would still get the 6 hours)
I usually don’t get stats because it’s double time, and I make too much an hour to be scheduled. But I’m also the newest back up supervisor, so I foresee getting more stats in the future, as the other girls would get it off before I would.
But in BC the same rules apply to salaried managers. They don’t get overtime, stat pay, (but can take “their stat” on another day. Paid day off) and have to put in the extra hours without the extra pay.
Ah, you see, I think the word that’s most telling in your post is the word “contract”. Wonderful things, they are.
Hey, if there’s hope for Josh, there’s hope for anybody!
Honestly, while I understand some concerns that it may be “boring” for him to see the light… Could you imagine Stuart’s reaction when Josh no longer looks up to him?
That was my thought. Marla and Josh making it work WITHOUT following much of Stuart’s direction from Corporate would be interesting. Watching Josh being stuck in the middle would be interesting, too.
I wonder if Josh could figure out ways to spin actual improvements in order to get them past Corporate. After all, Josh DOES speak “Corporate”…
Im probably expecting too much of him, of course, but the potential is there…
the second fun thing for josh to do is divide his hours worked by his salary
and figure out how much per hour he would be making if he was hourly.like..4.23 per hour. ….
In the company I work for, Team Supervisors and above (i.e. Store Management) don’t get paid overtime on the grounds that if you have to do more than full time hours, you’re probably not doing your job properly.
Conveniently forgetting of course that the, ahem, beauty of retail is that there’s always something that needs doing, be it an overdue planogram, warehouse tidying, price tickets/checking, etc. The list is endless.
By its very nature you make work for yourself, be it through being productive or unproductive.
So last-minute shit never happens, eh?
Oh, obviously. I’m just so used to it happening now that I see it as part of the daily routine, as opposed to something to sort out when it happens.
As a full-time associate I’m responsible for more things than part-timers, but am expected to be “fast” enough to do it all. My argument has always been that I should be scheduled more mornings, preferably before the store opens an hour or more, to straighten out the department after the closers are told, “Just get it off the floor!” I’m required to be part of the problem when I’m a closer, yet I’m held responsible for items being in the right category. There IS always something else to do that is an “A” priority. Be prepared for a Secret Shopper visit, or a Corporate visit, expand or contract racks, undo the expansion or contraction a day or two later when the newest email arrives saying the truck volume would be vastly different from the previous email, outerwear is draped all over the place or stuffed under the racks, rugs are draped all over the place or stuffed under the racks…it is endless! One of my frustrations has been when cashiers get promoted who haven’t spent hours and hours and days and days on the floor. There is no such thing as a “quick pick-up”!
THAT is shenanigans. Their purpose is to ensure that there’s always somebody on hand, isn’t it? How can t possibly be their fault if no one else is available to work?
And that’s why i never pursued the management path in retail. i went for the commission sales path and probably made more than the managers, plus i got paid overtime if i worked more than 40 hours.
I have seen sales people do this.. and if sales and dealing with the public is what you are good at, then do that. A good salesman is worth his pay plus commission. After a certain point, how much you get paid is really just a way of “keeping score”
*ding* the light bulb finally comes on for Josh.
I see it as a gradual short-out as he keeps trying to rectify corp demands vs reality.
Suddenly, marching in lock-step DOES start to hurt…
There is an unspoken rule that when you are salaried, you are assumed to work 10 hours of overtime per week as part of your pay package. Anything over that is just gravy for corporate. The last time I was salaried, I did occasionally have to work overtime, but if I got my job done earlier, I could leave early. Because I was salaried, I got the same 40 hour pay even if I didn’t work 40 hours. My manager didn’t like when I did that, but the owner of the company told me it was okay, so I took his word, not hers. But in the end, I did work more overtime than under-time, so corporate always wins.
Salaried or not I would never accept working overtime for free. Either they pay me overtime or comp my hours or it wont happen. But I actually think 28k is below minimum wage here obviously depending on line of work.
I hope you’d just refuse the job then, salaried is specifically structured to avoid overtime pay.
Well said Megan.
When you are salaried the ‘free overtime’ is a requirement of the job. If you do not do it, then that is grounds for termination. Meanwhile, if you are an hourly employee – they can cap how much OT you work, or even demand that it be approved first. So, you may wind up having to clock out and keep working. This isn’t something the company will make you do (being illegal for them to do so and all). But, it is something that you might want to do if you care about your job enough.
So, Mr. By-the-book didn’t realize before now that managers in corporate make tons more money then the people at the store levels? Interesting. Guess he’s not as big of a corporate puppet as we though.
I remember when I did the math when I was a manager for Ritz Camera. It turns out that I was earning approximately $4-5 an hour if my salary + commissions were divided by the hours I worked. It made me sad. Which is one of the reasons I was super happy when they demoted me down to assistant. (assistants at Ritz were hourly+ commission)